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Is THE GRIFFIN building an alt org?; Helga, take note!
Topic Started: Jan 29 2015, 08:57 AM (28,167 Views)
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From Boris Bad

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Nobody's made mention of it for awhile, but when Dino Paoli and other European members defected, there was supposed to have been some type of reformation they entered into, sort of a Frankfurt school of intellectual critics on the left rather than the so-called activist "cadre" organization. I remember Laurent Maurewiec (sp?) being on the right wing neo con anti-Muslim agenda, but don't know what happened to the members that left in Europe a few years ago. I remember many hoped some would come forward on the Jeremiah Duggan issue.



That was called Salon and was based in Germany.

http://www.solon-line.de/

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...brary.Solonline

Google translation of site

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...olon-line.de%2F
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Breaking news. Tom Woods (@ThomasEWoods) is having a Twitter fued with Tarp and his world historical Tax Wall Street Party.

If you want to be part of a mass movement of fake TWSP Twitter accounts, check out Woods' feed.
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Breaking news. Tom Woods (@ThomasEWoods) is having a Twitter fued with Tarp and his world historical Tax Wall Street Party.

If you want to be part of a mass movement of fake TWSP Twitter accounts, check out Woods' feed.

:lol: I wonder if he actually is using multiple fake accounts or if he has multiple people shilling the same exact stuff. I know all the LaRouche people all sound the same when they spew this stuff. If Tarpley is really just creating fake accounts though that's pretty funny.

I wonder why Tarpley sticks mostly to Twitter and LaRouche sticks mostly to Facebook.
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I wonder if he actually is using multiple fake accounts or if he has multiple people shilling the same exact stuff. I know all the LaRouche people all sound the same when they spew this stuff. If Tarpley is really just creating fake accounts though that's pretty funny.


Because Twitter is like a bodily organ customized in a lab exclusively for THE GRIFFIN's use -- it allows him to ruthlessly attack and denigrate using demagogic one-liners. Its absolutely perfect for armchair Duces like him.

The fight is appalling. Now Tom Woods seems to be constantly in fights with both critics from the left and competitors in the libertarian space. I tend to avoid Woods on the rampage. But he's right about fake TWSP accounts. Nearly all of the remarks are issued by THE GRIFFIN, such as this one:

peter suter (aka THE GRIFFIN)
 
You mean the campaign to feather the nest for nepotist little Ayn #RandPaul

Geez. You can hear Tarpley's nasally twang in that remark, right where he says little Ayn.

Some more gems from our "National Treasure" as some foaling followers have called him:

various manifestations of THE GRIFFIN
 
@Collapse of #RandPaul & political #Libertarianism leaves @ThomasEWoods a political orphan-He devotes his time to feckless slurs vs #TWSP

@ThomasEWoods-No #libertarian #libertine #NeoConfederate has any creds on #Character-By the way are you backing #Bundy #LandGrab? #Rand?

#Libertarianism of @ThomasEWoods is last ditch apologetics for #FinanceOligarchs enabling new form of #AusterityPsychosis v American people

#Search @google @ThomasEWoods #Libertarian and you'll find #BundyGang in cuffs, #RandPaul a bottom feeder, No #Jobs only #Austerity

#Stupid is as stupid does! Neo-Confederates #StandWithRand support #BundyGang

#Here's the "real" #Libertarian followers of #NeoConfederate @ThomasEWoods - A cesspool of Egg & faceless accounts.

#21% of @ThomasEWoods followers are fake... where's the beef?


And here are some beauts from Tom Woods (not doing himself favors by stooping to the same level, but that's what he does):

Tom Woods
 
@WebsterGTarpley uses p.c. term "neo-Confederate" against me, like the leftist he is.

#Insane lunatic thinks David Rockefeller would support an anti-central bank school of thought.

#Fake accounts @WebsterGTarpley set up to RT him includes @KlausHasenkamp, @ChaimMorgenroth, and @Michael10164062. ALL THEIR TWEETS IDENTICAL

#He taunted me for not getting as many retweets as he does. If I had fake people I would!

#You take the profile pics for your fake accounts from Google. We used Google Images to get their real identities.

#When these real people discover @DanielaGWalls is impersonating them w/fake accts, cld be fireworks



And finally, THE GRIFFIN gets struck over the head with a rather painful albatross:

Steve Doan
 
@ThomasEWoods is a leader and good man. Didn't your movement colapse in 1989?


...Ouch!

The remark about Daniela G. Walls is interesting. She started out as an average, ordinary GYMette and had moved up the ranks to the what is basically the GriffinPAC Policy Committee. Put it more bluntly, she is the Alicia Cerretani of this Alt Org. Daniela was designated the Chairwoman of the Tax Wall Street Party, but like any of the members of the LaRouchePAC Policy Committee, Daniela is expected to parrot THE GRIFFIN's thoughts as closely as possible. She hardly flops to gutter with demagogic slurs the way Tarpley does, but who knows how long she'll keep her sweet and astute temperment?

On the other hand, we may not have to worry much. Unlike THE DEAR LEADER, who has powers of charisma and persuasion (and ego-stripping) that keeps his inner circle in line, THE GRIFFIN has no such powers. He never keeps friends for more than a couple of years, before he ends up offending them and causing ugly breakups. I doubt the man has a friend at all, much less politically motivated allies of more than three years' acquaintance. Its simply not possible.

And so, as THE GRIFFIN labors away to build an exact duplicate of LaRouche's network of orgs and agents and fronts and locals, he simultaneously demolishes and wrecks this work because that's who he is and he is too old to change himself. He can only become MORE like Lyn. And Lyn has gotten only more bizarro and uncharismatic as he's aged.

I forecast a major breakdown crisis in the UFAA/TWSP universe. Daniela Walls will unintentionally set off THE GRIFFIN and she will have little trouble walking away from his LaRoucheian counterfeit org, along with a sizable portion of the membership.

Will we be downloading copies of WHY WE LEFT THE GRIFFIN some time next year?
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Speaking of Daniela G. Walls, I like her Facebook page with Tarpley proudly beaming in the middle of the bunch.

The funny thing about it is it reminds you of those stock pics of LaRouche looking thoughtful or smiling or the stock Policy Committee pics where the members don't look stoned, like a robot or they escaped from a mental institution.

Maybe they should create the rally cry of "Go get em on Twitter Tarp!"
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And here is Ms. Walls "vanity shot" with her letter to Bernie Sanders....more than sort of strange....

http://twsp.us/briefing/20160203

Of course it is not a mug shot of Webster which is the point.

Obviously the tactic here is to appeal to Bernie in such a way that maybe Bernie
might actually look at what a real program looks like.

The "hold the nose strategy" as opposed to the #Mop-Up one....

The 'hold your nose" wing of the TWSP will work on cuddling up to Bernie, while the
#Mop-Up crew, a person or two, works on attacking potential intellectual rival Thomas Woods....


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Hey there kiddos, Daniela did not come out of no where. Her grandfather worked for John Rockerfeller III population council and she is a member of Mauriece Strong's World Futurist Society. As far as the record goes, here is a more radical French-Revolution-loving Larouchie-defector who works with the very people he calls the enemy.
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The 'hold your nose" wing of the TWSP will work on cuddling up to Bernie, while the #Mop-Up crew, a person or two, works on attacking potential intellectual rival Thomas Woods.

No doubt. I wonder if the TSWP has an initiation process? You know, "To be a real GYMer, Miles, you've gotta send a few of those Bundyists to the dentist." So far, the Twitter Mop-Up seems to be exclusively waged by THE GRIFFIN in various disguises. So far, only he has the moral strength and stern character to do the hard work, and undertake the wholesale liquidation of entire classes of enemies.

Honestly, though, I've followed UFAA since its inception, throughout its pre-Tarpley and current emanation. Its only within the last year or so that it and the TWSP have taken on THE GRIFFIN's violent demagogic gutter-sniping. For the longest time, there were some level-headed GYMers who issued UFAA leaflets and various facebook posts that were humorous rather than caustic and corrosive. Tarpley's basically taken over all communications in the orgs. I wonder if those guys are still members? Probably not. Tarpley likely insulted them and they took off -- as Daniela Walls shall, some day soon.

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Hey there kiddos, Daniela did not come out of no where. Her grandfather worked for John Rockerfeller III population council and she is a member of Mauriece Strong's World Futurist Society. As far as the record goes, here is a more radical French-Revolution-loving Larouchie-defector who works with the very people he calls the enemy.


Well! That fits right in with THE GRIFFIN's recent pronouncements that "evil fighting evil can do good". If a Rockefeller baby and Strongist can serve the greater good of promoting Tarpley's wannabe cult, well, he'll be happy to squeeze her like a lemon -- and throw her crushed rind into the gutter when the times comes!
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Heil Grifferific Homoardor tell us more secrets

What ever happened to the Darcyites and the grand LaRouche infiltration plot?
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Polly Wannacracker,Feb 3 2016
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What ever happened to the Darcyites and the grand LaRouche infiltration plot?

Seeing that, that is Tarpley's narrative, I don't think it holds very much weight.

This forum already knows that Tarpley has been paling around with Larouchies since he left the Org. You won't have much luck peddling your wares here.

This forum is more concerned with the cult-like nature of these groups rather than your differences in policy. Trying to discuss some infiltration plot as an important talking point is like supporting one side in a fight between the OTO and the Golden Dawn.

It's only important if you are within the tunnel-vision frame of reference of one of those groups. Both groups utilize the same under-the-radar financing, lack of legal structure, personality centralization, handing out board positions to highest donors, etc.

Also, as an addition to previous discussions I think we made some headway. This doc from Twitter appears to substantiate claims that Webster left the Org sometime after 1997. If I an find a link in the EIR archives I'll post.



Claims Webster was still on EIR ownership into 2002. Has to be up-to-date for Tax purposes:
http://imgur.com/KKiJHVv


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Griffindor_Holodomor,Feb 4 2016
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Polly Wannacracker,Feb 3 2016
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Heil Grifferific Homoardor tell us more secrets

What ever happened to the Darcyites and the grand LaRouche infiltration plot?

Seeing that, that is Tarpley's narrative, I don't think it holds very much weight.

This forum already knows that Tarpley has been paling around with Larouchies since he left the Org. You won't have much luck peddling your wares here.

This forum is more concerned with the cult-like nature of these groups rather than your differences in policy. Trying to discuss some infiltration plot as an important talking point is like supporting one side in a fight between the OTO and the Golden Dawn.

It's only important if you are within the tunnel-vision frame of reference of one of those groups. Both groups utilize the same under-the-radar financing, lack of legal structure, personality centralization, handing out board positions to highest donors, etc.

Also, as an addition to previous discussions I think we made some headway. This doc from Twitter appears to substantiate claims that Webster left the Org sometime after 1997. If I an find a link in the EIR archives I'll post.



Claims Webster was still on EIR ownership into 2002. Has to be up-to-date for Tax purposes:
http://imgur.com/KKiJHVv

Interesting. I don't know if they still publish circulation data in the EIR because I think circulating print editions these days are just printed copies of the digital PDF.

The places that collect that type of data are paid services here in the US. I tried running their Canada post sales agreement number through the search engines but couldn't turn up anything.
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Also, as an addition to previous discussions I think we made some headway. This doc from Twitter appears to substantiate claims that Webster left the Org sometime after 1997. If I an find a link in the EIR archives I'll post.

Claims Webster was still on EIR ownership into 2002. Has to be up-to-date for Tax purposes: http://imgur.com/KKiJHVv


BWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Oh, that is priceless, I must say! Please retweet that on over to Tom Woods, if you'd not mind. That oughta stir the pot -- just as its cooled down.

In another thread, we discussed problems with EIR, such as their masthead never changing despite staff leaving, being purged or expelled, or dying. Perhaps this was a case of nobody ever changing the form half a decade after THE GRIFFIN's tearful departure?

Of course, if or when he gets confronted with this by critics or comrades in the TWSP, I'm sure that's what he claims. He probably trashes Nancy Spannaus by name. But its not very convincing!

In fact, THE GRIFFIN's rapid transformation into THE NEW DEAR LEADER is so authentic, I've wondered whether Tarpley doesn't drift on over to Windy Hill every now and then, just to see how his father-in-every-way-except-DNA is doing? They may crack open a case of Liebfraumilch and trade monologues, for all we know...

I bet Lyn's the only man on earth who could monologue over Tarpley, and Tarpley would sit there and take it. I cannot see him permitting anyone else to do that!
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fightapathy,Feb 5 2016
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Griffindor_Holodomor
 
Also, as an addition to previous discussions I think we made some headway. This doc from Twitter appears to substantiate claims that Webster left the Org sometime after 1997. If I an find a link in the EIR archives I'll post.

Claims Webster was still on EIR ownership into 2002. Has to be up-to-date for Tax purposes: http://imgur.com/KKiJHVv


BWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Oh, that is priceless, I must say! Please retweet that on over to Tom Woods, if you'd not mind. That oughta stir the pot -- just as its cooled down.

In another thread, we discussed problems with EIR, such as their masthead never changing despite staff leaving, being purged or expelled, or dying. Perhaps this was a case of nobody ever changing the form half a decade after THE GRIFFIN's tearful departure?

Of course, if or when he gets confronted with this by critics or comrades in the TWSP, I'm sure that's what he claims. He probably trashes Nancy Spannaus by name. But its not very convincing!

In fact, THE GRIFFIN's rapid transformation into THE NEW DEAR LEADER is so authentic, I've wondered whether Tarpley doesn't drift on over to Windy Hill every now and then, just to see how his father-in-every-way-except-DNA is doing? They may crack open a case of Liebfraumilch and trade monologues, for all we know...

I bet Lyn's the only man on earth who could monologue over Tarpley, and Tarpley would sit there and take it. I cannot see him permitting anyone else to do that!

Oh that could be really interesting if that was retweeted to Tom Woods. I'd do it but I'd have to create a separate Twitter account for a couple of reasons.

EIR has a habit of not updating any of their staff, Nancy Spannus and John Hoefle are still listed in the board.

As far as the content slide one of them is comprised largely of a transcript of the Policy Committee meeting which is free. Does anyone still pay for this?
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Why Tarpley wastes time with these snipes with Tom Woods and the Rothbard cultists conjures up the specter of a Stalingrad type of fixation on what are lesser targets in the spectrum of things.

That said it might be nice to actually see a real debate rather than the twitter caterwaul. It would be weird if this list served as the impetus for such an event....
a match not seen since the event between Abba Lerner and Hermyle. One thing is for certain is that Woods is branded a Nazi and Tarpley a Marxist......yawn.

Basically Woods is a minnow, but Webster will suck all of the water out of the pond in order to ensure total victory.....

One wonders if Webster is capable of understanding why people might actually have such points of view, but that is not in the picture because they are all Confederate Nazi No Nothings, heteronomic irrationalists who do not want to speak Spanish, and do not want to pay more taxes.......I guess so.....
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That said it might be nice to actually see a real debate rather than the twitter caterwaul. It would be weird if this list served as the impetus for such an event....a match not seen since the event between Abba Lerner and Hermyle. One thing is for certain is that Woods is branded a Nazi and Tarpley a Marxist......yawn.


Actually THE GRIFFIN is capable of engaging in a rational and level headed debate without diving into the gutter of demagogy and hate. When someone else mediates and sets strict rules, he behaves himself rather well.

For example, the Webster Tarpley vs. Christopher Kay debate moderated by David Frum. It was a very good showing by THE GRIFFIN, and I think he deflated both Kay and Frum on the their arguments against conspiracy and deep state chicanery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjj03pvlbq4

Unfortunately, I suspect one must work very hard to put Tarpley in these situations -- where he must focus on erudite and scholarly debate, instead of droning on endlessly with infantile name-calling. He clearly prefers the latter to the former, which is why debates are few and far between.

Its much better than the debate history of THE DEAR LEADER, admittedly. Was the historic debate between him and Abba Lerner the last time he engaged in such an exercise? (The Morton Jr. Show doesn't count.)

IN OTHER NEWS, it looks like Pat Buchanan has adopted THE GRIFFIN's position that the two majour parties are set to divide:

Pat Buchanan
 
Were this Britain or France, the GOP would have long ago split between its open-borders, globalist, war-party wing, and its populist, patriotic, social conservative wing. The latter would be demanding a timeout on immigration, secure borders, no amnesty, no more needless wars and a trade policy dictated by what was best for America, not Davos or Dubai.

Democrats would break apart along the lines of the Clinton-Sanders divide, with the neo-socialists becoming a raucous and robust anti-big bank, anti-Wall Street, soak-the-rich and share-the-wealth party.


Tarpley's been demanding this very thing for some time. Well, in a slightly different format: he commands that the GOP perishes immediately, and withdraws into the deep south as a dixiecrat relic, and thereafter the Democrat party splits between the Clinton's Wall Street faction and -- dare he dream it -- his Tax Wall Street faction.

I've only got one thing to say to that:

"Run, Webster, Run!! Tarpley 2016!!"
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