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Is THE GRIFFIN building an alt org?; Helga, take note!
Topic Started: Jan 29 2015, 08:57 AM (28,171 Views)
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Is The Battle for Stalyngrad coming this very cold and frigid winter?


We have to first return to the Saturday Night Larouche show of 10-24-15 to see what is going on here. Stalyn is forming a new army of hobos called "The Manhattan Party" to take on The Griffin and his Tax Wall Street Party. It is party time folks.


https://larouchepac.com/20151024/manhattan-...lyndon-larouche


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Lyndon LaRouche returns to New York! Every Saturday the LPAC Manhattan Project hosts a Q&A discussion between Manhattan activists and Mr. LaRouche. This week: the rest of the world is moving forward without the United States! The last two Presidents have been an abomination, we must change course, beginning in Manhattan.

Transcript-DENNIS SPEED: My name is Dennis Speed, and on behalf of the LaRouche Political Action Committee I want to welcome everybody here.

We seem to be maturing:  We seem to have some new process going on which I know Lyn has been talking about.  Of course, it was only a couple of weeks ago, he began discussing this idea of a Manhattan Party, and we seem to be having a lot more fun in Manhattan, so I'd like to first ask Lyn to give us an opening statement, and then we'll go right into questions.

LYNDON LAROUCHE:  Okay, well, it's fairly simple.  Manhattan is a very important area in the history of the United States. Without what was done there in our part of the world,  — we have an excellent opportunity now to provide a keystone for leadership, in terms of the entire consolidation of our population.  So, the point is such that we now have now a new level of access to the role of the United States as an organization.  And I think this has become fairly evident.  And I would suggest that, because of you know what our routine has been here, in this location, that we just simply help me wear off what's been bothering me from last night and this morning,  a little illness.
So that's what we are.  We are now, in this sense of using Manhattan has a place, from which to organize the necessary steps for our purpose inside the United States, and for what goes beyond that.
And, as I wind up, we'll just go take this thing and start to go with it, with the question & answer with me, and it'll all resonate better that way........


So I think the best thing to do, to go with this idea — look, we have a position here, in Manhattan: This point in Manhattan is the proper point of reference, for the organization of our organization as a whole, and for the whole system of the planet. ............


Now, it happens to be no coincidence that Manhattan is a very important and leading part of this whole process.  And it was done by Alexander Hamilton.  And he was the one who organized the organization of the United States, and then, of course, people assassinated him and that led to a lot of confusion in terms of the history of the United States, because you had four terms of a Presidency after that point, and it was a screwball operation.  We've had great Presidents in a few cases, we've had an organization in a few cases.

But we've also had the Southern policy, and the Southern policy in the United States is what has destroyed the United States' capability of functioning.  Therefore, we have to return to that commitment, and that's where we stand.  And you have to understand the importance of Manhattan. You know, I went to work on this thing, beginning last October, and I said, we have to orient to a Manhattan orientation, not local orientations.  And it's when you take the Manhattan area, and you make it a point of mobilization of our mission, you find the characteristics of our citizens in Manhattan become quite useful.  Because it's only at that point, when we create a unification of our United States,as a United States; and when we understand what we mean by that, then you understand, well, it's not Manhattan but it's Manhattan in its role, as being the unifying point of reference established by Alexander Hamilton.  That's the issue.  And if you don't have that kind of coherence, you do not have a United States which is capable of functioning reasonably.


SPEED:  Hmm!  Interesting.................

WYSMULLER:  Well, I'm energetic about it, because I really believe in this, and I want to get that message out, as best as I can.
LAROUCHE:  Excellent!
Q:  Good afternoon, (This is long time boomer Judy speaking )Lyndon LaRouche!  We're calling Manhattan, The Land of Hamilton and LaRouche, these days, and we're driving the British banksters out.  We've had a terrific amount of fun doing that; all this week, there have been squads of younger and older generations of your movement here, resonating against the British invasion,


Interesting indeed. Have we all noticed that Dr. Webster The Griffin Tarpley, has his own party called the Tax Wall Street Party which also features Alexander Hamilton?

http://twsp.us/

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Alexander Hamilton, the architect of America’s First National Bank, proved that a national debt, if not excessive, is a great advantage to a modern nation. A sustained economic recovery requires a source of credit which can be neither zombie banks nor the federal budget.


Stalyn demands the US Government bankrupt the Wall Street and shut it down. Convert all of the lower Manhattan skyscrapers to something else while The Griffin wants to tax it for the benefit of the American people and limit rapid high frequency trading. Which idea makes more sense and is realistic or practical

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Wall Street speculators – not the American people – are responsible for the ongoing economic depression. Make them pay! Our flagship demand is a 1% sales tax on stocks, bonds and derivatives to stop state and federal budget cuts.



Now we have LPAC Politiburo meeting of 10-24-15 to further cement the plans of Stalyn to defend the new fatherland. Sly comments about Dr. Tarpley for members to think about as the purges continue?

https://larouchepac.com/20151026/lpac-polic...october-26-2015

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LAROUCHE:  And the point is, that by exposing what I know about this thing, I am setting a trap for anybody who pretends to be in our organization, who doesn't belong there.  And that's a very important thing.  Because we have an organization now which is not oriented — see, the whole idea of our having been an organization, which is divided into localities, hmm?  — that's for idiots!  Like people "oh, we meet together."  Well, what's the policy?  Who's shaping the policy?  There is no competent policy-determination in most of this stuff!  Most parts of the organization that claim to be parts of the organization, have no business in naming themselves as being part of the organization as such. Because they're against the principles, of the organization.

Now, what we've done, we've reversed things, and what I did last October, we pulled things around where we shifted the center of authority, for our organization in the United States, by shifting it to Manhattan, which is the natural location for the founding of the United States system.  So therefore, that's what we're fighting for, and we're fighting against these charades of folly, which people claim to be they're part of our organization.  They are not part of our organization!  They're stumbling around on their own debate, with their own opinions! They don't have our opinion!  They have this screwball kinds of their own opinions and it's pretty much screwball, all the way through.

And so therefore, now we're in a position where we have shifted, since last October, we have shifted the organization's orientation, against Wall Street, in terms of what Reagan has represented; which is a point of continuity.  And that's what our policy was, what my policy was, which was the policy of the organization, was continued.  But then shortly, they began to chop it apart.  And since that point, we have not have not had an honest organization.  We have a number of people who are part of an organization which I'm a part of; but we have a lot of riff-raff around that which has no connection whatsoever to the principles on which this organization premised.  And that's a crucial matter.  That's the important issue:  It's saying, "this is fake, this is fake."

And now we're building an organization which is based, actually, on Manhattan as a center of our national organization, and internationally. And that that's the way it's supposed to be:  That's the way it was originally supposed to be, and that's the way it should be now...

Poor Rachel tries to get some words in as usual in this gap, for no reason but to stay relevant.

LAROUCHE:  Yeah, well that's what it is; it's the British Empire.  And the policies, the fake policies, alleged part of our organization are based on the British Empire standards.  And so, I said, we get back into Manhattan, and our center of organization is located in Manhattan.  And we're doing all kinds of things, like musical programs and other things like that, which we're building up, which is actually what should be a Manhattan organization.  You know, Wall Street is not Manhattan; Wall Street is a disease which crept in, under the unprotected areas of Manhattan, essentially.

So the point is, the organization of the United States is that Alexander Hamilton, which was created by Alexander Hamilton, explicitly; not by inference, but explicitly. And those principles which have been violated, wildly, by members of my so-called organization, who don't accept the principles on which the United States was founded, where we doaccept the authority of the founding of the United States; they don't.  They go along with the crazy people who betrayed the United States, in their various roles.

SARE:  Well, part of this Manhattan organization is what you have been doing this last number of weeks on Saturdays, with the people gathered there, who are, themselves, really evolving into a certain quality of qualified citizenry who are taking responsibility for the nation.



My guess is that Stalyn can call for the formation of The Manhattan Party and have the members organize for a big time event to launch it. This gives Stalyn the ability to call off the Saturday Night Larouche shows as they chew up a full day of valuable money raising time . Resources are redeployed to build for The Manhattan Party launch . Small scale skirmishes may ignite The Battle For Stalyngrad when TMP hobos encounters TWSP forces during interventions.

Guest called it earlier

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Tarpley may be Trotsky to LaRouche's Stalin. It's not so much that the older LC members want to join him as that they are susceptible to his analysis of world affairs and wonder why they can't be more like him. Plus Tarpley sounds far less crazy most of the time although I think the crazy gene was passed on from LaRouche to Tarpley. But crazy or not, Tarpley remains a model of sobriety when compared with LaRouche, whose crazy train has gone Maglev.



This post will also appear in
Is THE GRIFFIN building an alt org?

as it is a very well read section.







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This situation requires IMMEDIATE mobilisation by cadres of UFAA/TWSP! Think of it: If THE DEAR LEADER commissions the Manhattan Party as a countermeasure to THE GRIFFIN's Tax Wall Street Party, it is only a matter of time before we see Lyndon LaRouche for President. The only thing they can do to fight this is if UFAA/TWSP undertakes an immediate offensive on Twitter, #Tarpley4PrezHead to build up a MASS STRIKE ACTION in favour of Webster Tarpley for President.

Heck, Mark Hazlitt's all for it:

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I have strong disagreements with Webster Tarpley on economics. I would love to sit down and have a discussion with him on economics sometime. But in the White House, he couldn't do anything absent the approval of Congress. He could also do a lot of good, given nobody understands 9/11 quite like he does.

Webster Tarpley should run for POTUS. That would give him the opportunity to school the country on 9/11. Hopefully Webster reads this and decides to run himself. If he does, he's the one I support. With him, we can popularize talking about 9/11.


Hazlitt ought to have dinner with Tarpley and iron out these economics differences. Of course, this means picking up the check. (Just ask Alex Jones & others.) But it may result in a sweet campaign manager job in return.

Get to it, folks!!
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And the conversion of THE GRIFFIN into THE (NEW) DEAR LEADER eerily continues. In this week's WORLD CRISIS RADIO, Dr. Tarpley declares the foundation of a European wing of the Tax Wall Street Party.

THE GRIFFIN
 
You find these links on my Twittttterrrr Feeeeeeeeeeeeddd ... with a view of expanding operations in Europe, because, let everybody know: this is an international movement. This is NOT limited to the United States. we don't need country by country organizations at this point. The point is to have an international approach. In other words, LEARN THE LESSON OF GREECE!


...or rather, LEARN THE LESSON OF LaROUCHE! Build a European org that can live comfortably off the galley slaves in the American org.

Dr. Tarpley's even outlined a theoretical umbrella of organisations, and it does sound oddly familiar. Hmmm....

THE GRIFFIN
 
You've got to do that from the word "Go". That's not something you can improvise at the END of a long process of organizing. You have to have that built in from the very beginning. The idea is to have an international philosophical association, call that the United Front Against Austerity, and then, articulate that into political expressions.


Fortunately, THE GRIFFIN doesn't have to improvise. He simply copies-and-pastes Lyn's work onto his own template. Instead of the National Caucus of Labor Committees, we have the United Front Against Austerity. Instead of the U.S. Labor Party, we have the Tax Wall Street Party.

I'm sure Griffinist versions of BüSo, Solidarité et progrès, and Solidarietà italiana are not far behind. But when oh when do get to tackle members of the GYM -- the Griffin Youth Movement? Imagine: LYMers vs. GYMers battling for control of the street corners of Manhattan!
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Totally hilarious.

It's Stalyn versus Tarpsky and it ain't over till it's over.

I move that we fund raise and buy nunchucks to donate equally to the LYM and the GYM so they can really go at it.

After all, the Future of Humanity is at stake!
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I am quite sure that all of us are looking forward to the Halloween day production of Saturday Night Larouche.


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I move that we fund raise and buy nunchucks to donate equally to the LYM and the GYM so they can really go at it.


I move that we pay John Sigerson to direct a Larouche version of "West Side Story" and have the LYM and GYM gangs fight it out with Columbia University as the backdrop.



From the Riddler in Gotham City:

"What gets passed around the most after a Larouche meeting?"

"Jumper cables"


"Where will the new HQ be located for the NYC membership?"

"HOBOken"




To the Larouchemobiles, The Griffin is on the loose


From the inbox:

"Like Spiderman, the Griffin can cast his Web."
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fightapathy,Oct 29 2015
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And the conversion of THE GRIFFIN into THE (NEW) DEAR LEADER eerily continues. In this week's WORLD CRISIS RADIO, Dr. Tarpley declares the foundation of a European wing of the Tax Wall Street Party.

THE GRIFFIN
 
You find these links on my Twittttterrrr Feeeeeeeeeeeeddd ... with a view of expanding operations in Europe, because, let everybody know: this is an international movement. This is NOT limited to the United States. we don't need country by country organizations at this point. The point is to have an international approach. In other words, LEARN THE LESSON OF GREECE!


...or rather, LEARN THE LESSON OF LaROUCHE! Build a European org that can live comfortably off the galley slaves in the American org.

Dr. Tarpley's even outlined a theoretical umbrella of organisations, and it does sound oddly familiar. Hmmm....

THE GRIFFIN
 
You've got to do that from the word "Go". That's not something you can improvise at the END of a long process of organizing. You have to have that built in from the very beginning. The idea is to have an international philosophical association, call that the United Front Against Austerity, and then, articulate that into political expressions.


Fortunately, THE GRIFFIN doesn't have to improvise. He simply copies-and-pastes Lyn's work onto his own template. Instead of the National Caucus of Labor Committees, we have the United Front Against Austerity. Instead of the U.S. Labor Party, we have the Tax Wall Street Party.

I'm sure Griffinist versions of BüSo, Solidarité et progrès, and Solidarietà italiana are not far behind. But when oh when do get to tackle members of the GYM -- the Griffin Youth Movement? Imagine: LYMers vs. GYMers battling for control of the street corners of Manhattan!

If Tarpley forms his own youth movement, could he have them called "Tar Babies"?
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I trust the Sigerson version will be in Verdi turning!

Some inspiration for "When You're a LYM":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrx4MPK0x8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKrkpA3lnmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiAtmIlLoPA
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Mad Mike: (Spoken) Against the Griffins we need every man we got.

Moe: (Spoken) Cody don't belong any more.

Mad Mike: Cut it, Moe boy. I and Cody started the LYM.

Moe: Well, he acts like he don't wanna belong.

BABY Ross: Who wouldn't wanna belong to the LYM!

Moe: Cody ain't been with us for over a month.

Diane: What about the day we clobbered the Queen?

A-Rachel: Which we couldn't have done without Cody.

BABY Ross: He saved my ever-lovin' neck!

Mad Mike: Right! He's always come through for us and he will now.
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From your first boiler room where you spend night and day"
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Emergency declaration by LPAC for Hobo Army in The Battle for Stalyngrad!!!!!


Read the headline.

https://larouchepac.com/20151029/if-we-dont...zation-jeopardy

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Impeach ObamaStop WWIII
If We Don't Match Up to What Obama is Doing against China,
Our Organization is in Jeopardy



Everybody run, run like the wind to Kinkos. This is an official LPAC leaflet.

https://larouchepac.com/sites/default/files...obama-china.pdf
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Organizing advice from LaRouchePAC:

LaRouchePAC Leaflet
 
Anyone who tries to minimize Obama's war moves against China: tell them they're brain-damaged.

I have to say, its quite emotional compared to other leaflets they've issued in the past.

LaRouchePAC Leaflet
 
People are afraid that Obama will kill them, too, if he's displeased by them. But the only way to save yourself is: Don't accept that! If you give in, or condone people giving in, you yourself may be writing your own ticket for death. It's gutless wonder time!

In fact, its only marching orders are, GET RID OF OBAMA -- and nothing else. No calls to organize for another impeachment drive at Paul Ryan's office, nor demonstrations on K street or in front of the White House, nor a MASS MOBILIZATION to call congressmembers and demand Obama's removal as per the 25th Amendment to the Constitution. No. Just... GET RID OF OBAMA.

LaRouchePAC Leaflet
 
To win a war, you must take the enemy down. Obama won't give in unless you take him down.

If I were not used to the demagogic hysterics of the org, I MIGHT think this was a direct appeal for members to personally try to eliminate the President...

LaRouchePAC Leaflet
 
We've presented the case against Obama,— we needn't repeat the evidence again. We have to go for a dramatic effect which will move the audience to change and act.

But, since I AM used to their hysterics, I guess its all just good fun.

Compare this to one of UFAA's latest fliers,

http://againstausterity.org/sites/default/...-them-pay_1.pdf

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Who will be the victims of this crisis – poor and working families, or the financial parasites who stole our jobs, our homes, our government and our future? The choice is yours.

Folks have said that THE GRIFFIN's materials and proclamations are more adult than THE DEAR LEADER's, and their fliers bear this out. Of course, one of the charms of Dr. Tarpley is when he goes totally LaRouchie and denounces his enemies as "fascisto chuckleheads" and "mentally deranged crazies". But you can't have everything.
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Pretty much saw the Thermonuclear War pitch coming again the moment LaRouche mentioned SDI/SDE.

Now I think all we need is a younger breakaway upstart like Mad Mike Steger to attempt his own version of the org. Maybe him and Dave "Max Headroom" Christie can break the west coast operations off...
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Now I think all we need is a younger breakaway upstart like Mad Mike Steger to attempt his own version of the org. Maybe him and Dave "Max Headroom" Christie can break the west coast operations off...

Whoa, there's an idea! All this time, I've interpreted MAD MIKE's behavior as being the essence of unquestionable loyalty to THE DEAR LEADER. Add to that xlcr's suggestion that MAD MIKE was positioning himself for higher authority in the org by "holding out" while less-fanatical members were singled out for purging, and it all seemed like a water-tight plan.

But the most insanely loyal members of any organisation are usually the most ambitious -- and dangerous. The Praetorians were the elite protectors of Emperors, but quickly made and unmade Emperors of their own. Heinrich Himmler devised the slogan "SS Mann, deine Ehre heißt treue" but was the only high-ranking Nazi to actually commit treason and try to bargain with the Allies. Ultimately, one should not assume they are immune to the devices of hostile forces, or worse, lured by the siren song of more attractive propositions --

...such as THE GRIFFIN's expanding umbrella of international organizations and societies.

Furthermore, the prospect of MAD MIKE and My-Hoa and Dave being redeployed from balmy west coast climes to Manhattan in the dead of winter, having to play an electric organ on the corner of 93rd and First while handing out leaflets cajoling the citizenry to personally take down the President, might lower the value of absolute loyalty in ANYone's heart.

I mean, Mike must have been to Leesburg and Purcellville in the last two years. He must've noticed the brown-stained ceiling tiles dripping endlessly into rusted wastepaper baskets. He must've smelled the lingering stench of urine and feces all about Windy Hill. He must've realized the move to Manhattan is not to abandon these rotting hell holes to the mice and roaches, but to take with -- that is, the decrepit conditions are a symptom of the harrowing decline of the org, not a cause. It must've been crystal clear that the mice and roaches would follow them into the tiny cupboard sized boarding rooms in Red Hook, and the west coast locals would find themselves fleeing like mice into the NY subway tubes just to keep from freezing, and padding themselves with Obama Hitler posters to prevent howling gusts from seeping through their seriously unsuitable California weather coats. This conceivably might compel Mike to take one of two drastic moves:

1. MAD MIKE moves much closer to Lyn and Helga, whispering rumors of treason -- the sort that saw Cody Jones ignominiously expelled -- and personally swears unbreakable oaths of loyalty to them IN EXCHANGE FOR the preservation of the west coast locals under HIS direct authority and the appointment of My-Hoa supremo of the Schiller Institute/LaRouche Musical program;

or, more attractively,

2. MAD MIKE establishes contact with THE GRIFFIN and bargains to drop the entire LaRouchePAC west coast operation into the Doctor's lap, merging it into UFAA piecemeal, IN EXCHANGE FOR his direct authority over said operation, and the appointment of My-Hoa supremo of a newly created UFAA/Tarpley Musical program.

Never underestimate the power of ambition -- or the weakness of an ambitious man's sense of duty.
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Fightapathy, the latter of those two is a very interesting proposition.

Mad Mike seems like he'd throw anyone under the bus for his own benefit. He quickly scooped up that position in San Fran after Summer and Sky Shields bailed. He's mentioned in WWL so we know he was there for that. Additionally he didn't join the org until 5 years after he graduated college which is a bit odd. I doubt he'd give up what, for him, is probably a very cushy position in the org. I doubt he's out card tabling all day unless he's running for office.

He was in Leesburg for the "you're killing people around you all over the place" Policy Committee. I wouldn't doubt he gets to accompany his wife when she plays at these Schiller Institute conferences. I'm sure he knows well enough what goes on. I don't think LaRouche or Helga will scrap the locals that make money which in the end is all it is really about, so as long as he can pull in cash he's probably not going to get called in to NYC.

However I think Mad Mike will look for what suits him best, which is the interesting second option you present. I'm sure, given the similarities, Mike could easily convert his small group on the west coast into the UFAA because there is already enough disconnect that they're listening to Mike speak on Saturday instead of the LaRouche Town Hall Event. If he got to give a summarized edition of Tarpley with his own brand of crazy while he and His wife could have a cushy operation I bet he wouldn't hesitate.
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Whoa boy! We are on to something here.


Man114

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Now I think all we need is a younger breakaway upstart like Mad Mike Steger to attempt his own version of the org. Maybe him and Dave "Max Headroom" Christie can break the west coast operations off...


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Furthermore, the prospect of MAD MIKE and My-Hoa and Dave being redeployed from balmy west coast climes to Manhattan in the dead of winter, playing an electric organ on the corner of 93rd and First and handing out leaflets cajoling the citizenry to personally take down the President, might lower the value of absolute loyalty in their hearts.



This could be a C=256 version of the famous East Coast vs West Coast Rap Wars!!!!

My-Hoa on the piano in a face off with Diane Sare on the trombone in a music mix face off!

West Coast can have The Manhattan Beach Party from LA against The Manhattan Party of The East Coast.

This ain't Yo Yo Ma but Yo Yo Mama over who gets "The Boomer Man" John Sigerson to produce their next concert. But watch out for GrandMaster Griffin who may have a secret deal with Mad Mike to take The Empire from old school Stalyn and 40 oz Beer Fart Helga.
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Each coast gets to add some LYM or LYmettes to be back up.

The winning LPAC act has a name already picked out .

Bone Thugs-n-Hegemony
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